@katrinakatrinka
yes we are in quite a sad state
and why are we in this sad state?
#MAGA and nonvoters
the #socialMedia manipulation is to amplify the #bigotry vote on the right
and suppress the left vote
do you recognize or care that you are selling psychological manipulation, #cynicism and #perfectionism, as "leftist", no real ideological position in that, in such a way that you suppress the #left #vote and help MAGA and #Likud?
@katrinakatrinka
i'm aware that right wingers cosplaying #left can create "correct" profiles with all the usual #leftist signifiers
the simple point is you need to stop selling #helplessness, and fucking fight, if you are genuine
or you need to stop selling helplessness, and shut up, if you are a #troll
all that does is help #MAGA win and further #genocide in #gaza
that is the *only* effect of your "perspective"
we do not honor all "opinions"
some suck, some lie
@katrinakatrinka
so fucking #vote
and stop playing #psyop games to suppress the #left vote because "everything sucks and then you die, waah"
that's not an ideological position, that's a psychological manipulation
weak mindless #cynicism doesn't change a single thing you say you care about, and only helps make things worse by closeting people in helplessness and weakness: surrender
no
you fight
or you shut the fuck up
@katrinakatrinka
the dems fucking suck on #israel
so we take over the #democrats from the #left
we can't do that with voices like yours suppressing the #vote, especially in the #primaries
nevermind the dems aren't as soft on israel as the GOP
from the #likud perspective that means getting their #trollfarm spouting "BoTh SiDeS tHe SaMe" easy psyop for cynics and perfectionists
#Netanyahu prefers the #Republicans. and look at you, suppressing the left vote
curious that
@n1xnx @Scrimshaw9 @eschaton @katrinakatrinka
all those not voting and whining it's the right choice are victims or mongers of a #perfectionism and #cynicism #psyop
expressing no real #leftist ideological position, merely manifesting psychological issues
as an aspect of their genuine sad existence
or as an aspect of being a #rightWing #troll cosplaying #left to suppress the left #vote
what matters is effective #harmReduction
perfection is for losers
literally
@katrinakatrinka @TagYourToe
but reality does change when we see and denounce the simple #psyop games to kill the #left
it's not "complexity" it's simple human weakness: #cynicism and #perfectionism
play psychological games on that, and you can change #elections, and reward #MAGA and #Likud
we see you
#Platner has consistently campaigned on a platform of halting #US military funding to #Israel
now you understand the real purpose behind goosing #perfectionism on the #left to suppress #leftist turnout in the #vote
it is artificially manufactured noise for a #psyop
show me someone upset at Platner's sins, moved to not vote, resulting in a GOP win and all the green lights for Israel to #genocide more, and i'll show you an easily manipulated patsy
The #TrolleyProblem is not abstract. There is absolutely an IRL version of it: #voting.
So, every couple years #leftists argue about whether or not to vote for the lesser of two evils.
They have a lever ( #vote ), and if they pull the lever then fewer people die. If they do nothing, more people die.
There are two basic moral foundations for this decision:
- Deontological: actions are morally good or bad, not consequences.
- Utilitarian: outcomes determine the moral value of actions.
I'm not going to get into the pros and cons of each. Instead, I'm going to address the psychological aspect of it.
People who align to Deontological ethics (which is a significant, if not outright majority, of those on the #left) view things in terms of purity and taint.
The action affects the moral weight of the person. So the person is viewed as a good or bad person depending upon whether their actions and behaviors are judged as morally righteous by the standards of their political alignment.
People who align to Utilitarian ethics don't give a shit about any of that. Furthermore they consider _not acting_ to be a morally culpable choice. There is no difference between the original position of the lever.
Now, there are some who would argue for not voting for a utilitarian reason. The argument is basically that not voting forces the parties to court your vote, and thus moving them closer to your position.
I don't think this is true in modern democracies, because politicians already do not support policies that the vast majority of their voters support.
But, I will grant it. If you are to take this to be the case, then here is your cost function:
sum(t=0, T-1, discount(t, (harm_worse(t)-harm_lesser(t))) < (p x sum(t=T, infinity, discount(t, (harm_lesser(t)-harm_better(t))))
This is basically saying that you have to be willing to pay the harm caused the the worse evil as the price for the gains after your inflection point.
Which, points to the deontological argument in favor of voting for the lesser evil: you are buying a good future by paying with lives and bodies that (likely) are not your own. You are throwing someone under the bus for your moral purity.
Personally?
I personally think that the only reason evil is allowed to exist in our world at all is because good people are so afraid of "being bad" that they constantly abdicate the reins of power to evil people. Those #evil people exploit it.
Edit: This post was inspired by a conversation here: hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/116…
If you aren't already following @mekkaokereke, I do recommend his feed.
👴🏻Even if Hitler was the Dem candidate, and someone even worse(tm) was the GOP candidate, you'd have to vote for Hitler! Vote Blue, no matter who! Just do it!👩🏿But... why would Hitler be the Dem candidate?
👴🏻Because I voted for him! In the primary!
👩🏿Couldn't you just... not vote for Hitler?
👴🏻No!
"so what i argue for is taking over the #democraticParty from the #left"
I'm curious how you envision doing that.
so what i argue for is taking over the #democraticParty from the #left
the #Mamdani template
this confuses people
fake leftists, who do not argue for an ideologically #leftist position, but merely vibe mindless #cynicism and #toxicIdealism- not #voting therefore helping #MAGA, assume, merely because i ask for a #vote, that i am a corporatist shitlib
meanwhile, shitlibs think i am one of their own because i say "vote", when i despise the #democrats
do not lie about me
@Thumper1964 @horqua @scottmiller42 @roknrol @mikelovesbikes @retech
THIS!
if you get the feeling from the #primary #vote coming up (for most) that there are no good #left #candidates (you're fucking #voting in the fucking #primaries.. right? right?)
then what do you do?
you fucking run yourself next cycle
#AOC took down a #democrat #establishment titan, while working as a bartender
why not you?
you reading out there
and yes Kevin! go for it! 👏 👏 👏
that americans complain about their #candidates, but don't fucking show up and vote in the #primaries, is nothing but a massive indictment of average americans
you need to fucking show up in the fucking primaries people!
that is where you get real #left candidates
if you don't do NOT fucking complain about the candidates in the general #election!
YOU failed to show up in the primaries so that is on YOU
yup, the #USA is going the way of #Russia as well
IF WE DON'T FUCKING #VOTE
VOTE YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES
especially in the #primaries
get some real #left #candidates
if you don't vote, shut the fuck up about our problems, you've abdicated your right to speak, since your true voice, your vote, you decided isn't perfect enough
nobody rational thinks that way
accounts shitting on the vote are either a #rightWing #psyop cosplaying left to suppress the left vote, or just a fucking idiot
